並前往https://www.sogi.com.tw/talks/%E9%97%9C%E6%96%BC%E8%97%8D%E8%8A%BD%E9%85%8D%E5%B0%8D%E5%AF%86%E7%A2%BC%E7%9A%84%E5%95%8F%E9%A1%8C/4695444